Merkel, Sarkozy Propose Eurozone Government

Merkel Sarkozy Eurozone Government

GREG KELLER and JUERGEN BAETZ   08/16/11 09:32 PM ET   AP

PARIS — The leaders of France and Germany called Tuesday for greater economic discipline and unity among European nations but declined to take immediate financial measures seen by many investors as the only way to halt the continent's spiraling debt crisis.

The Dow Jones industrial average fell, the euro slid against the dollar and key European markets edged down in off-hour trading after Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and French President Nicolas Sarkozy announced the results of their emergency talks in Paris.

Sarkozy called for a "new economic government" for Europe that would meet at least twice a year with European Union President Herman Van Rompuy as its head, but he offered few other details or indications that the body would have real power.

Merkel and Sarkozy also called for all euro zone nations to enact constitutional amendments requiring balanced budgets. They said they want the process completed by the summer of 2012, but it would almost certainly run into protracted political difficulties in many countries.

Both leaders said the moment was not right to replace 17 government bonds with a single one allowing weaker economies to borrow in cooperation with the powerhouse economies of France and Germany. A growing number of experts are calling for the eurobond as a way to prevent the unaffordable interest rates that have driven Greece, Ireland, and Portugal to seek bailouts from the eurozone countries and the International Monetary Fund.

New figures show slowing French and German growth, and the German government fears it would face higher borrowing costs and more risks if it had to borrow jointly with financially shaky nations.

"We have exactly the same position on euro bonds," Sarkozy said. "One day we could imagine them, but at the end of a process of European integration, not at the beginning."

The Dow fell as many as 190 points shortly after 1 p.m. in New York, a sign of clear market disappointment with the lack of immediate action.

Merkel and Sarkozy also said they did not want to increase the size of the EU's 440 billion euro rescue fund, which may have to take over a massive, multibillion euro European Central Bank program to support the prices of Spanish and Italian bonds by buying them up on the open market. The ECB spent 22 billion euros ($32 billion) in the first week of the program alone and says it wants to hand off that responsibility in coming months to the rescue fund, or European Financial Stability Facility.

Sarkozy described the EFSF's current funding as "a considerable sum" and "sufficient."

The two leaders also proposed a Europe-wide tax on financial transactions and pledged to harmonize their countries' corporate taxes in a move aimed at showing the eurozone's largest members are "marching in lockstep" to protect the euro.

Shares of financial markets operators, such as NYSE Euronext and the IntercontinentalExchange Inc., already under pressure as part of a broader sell-off of financial stocks, tumbled.

NYSE Euronext fell 10 percent, or $2.87, to $26.10, leading the S&P 500 Index in percentage losses. The IntercontinentalExchange was not far behind, falling 5.5 percent, or $6.33, to $110.10, the third biggest loser on the S&P.

Investors may be concerned about how the euro bloc will put in place what its leaders have suggested and how a proposed tax on financial transactions may effect demand for European assets, said David Gilmore of Foreign Exchange Analytics in Essex, Connecticut.

"On the surface, it sounds very bold, a federal `eurozone,'" Gilmore said. "The practical part still seems, to me anyway, to be a pipe dream."

He said the plan to form a deeper fiscal union among the 17 countries using the euro "made the euro credible," but governments might not want to surrender their rights to set tax and budget policies.

But some analysts say only tighter fiscal convergence between the euro zone's 17 members, with the block's strongest members guaranteeing the debts of the weaker partners, will resolve a crisis that has dragged on for nearly two years and resulted in a string of sovereign bailouts worth hundreds of billions of euros.

Sarkozy and Merkel stressed their commitment to defending the common currency, a cornerstone of integration on this long-fractured continent. They presented their proposals after meeting Tuesday in Paris amid signs of economic slowdown, and after an exceptionally turbulent week on financial markets prompted by concern about Europe's financial health.

Sarkozy told reporters that he and Merkel want a "true European economic government" that would consist of the heads of state and government of all eurozone nations.

The new body would meet twice a year – and more in times of crisis – and be led initially by Van Rompuy for a 2 1/2-year term. After that, Sarkozy suggested, it could be opened up to other heads of states and government.

The move appeared a step toward the closer long-term economic integration that many analysts have said is inevitable to make the euro experiment survive, though it was unclear how much effect it would have in the short term.

"There has to be a stronger coordination of financial and economic policy" to protect the euro, Merkel said.

Some were not impressed.

"Investors might be left wondering what was the point of this meeting," said Neil MacKinnon, economist at VTB Capital in London. MacKinnon said the measures outlined amounted to "well-intentioned rhetoric" but are not the "silver bullet" needed to settle Europe's debt and banking crisis once and for all.

The chancellor stressed that the crisis built up over several years by the actions of several member states, and there is no solution to tackle the crisis within days now.

"We will regain the lost confidence," she said. "That is why we go into a phase with a new quality of cooperation within the eurozone," she added, referring to the proposal of forming a permanent economic government for the eurozone.

Sarkozy and Merkel will send a letter outlining their proposals to Van Rompuy on Wednesday.

The leaders want the new budget rules to be enshrined in euro zone constitutions by summer of next year. They said the common French-German corporate tax would be established by 2013.

The two leaders ruled out, however, issuing common government debt in the form of eurobonds, at least for now, despite demand by many investors for such a bold but politically difficult move.

Sarkozy said that euro bonds could be considered "one day, but at the end of a process of European integration, not at the beginning."

In afternoon trading in New York Tuesday, the euro slid to $1.4385 as investors digested the proposal for greater coordination. It had spiked to $1.4472 immediately after French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel announced their plan.

Late Monday, it was worth $1.4451.

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Associated Press writer Sarah DiLorenzo in Paris, David McHugh in Frankfurt and Tali Arbel in New York contributed to this report.

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stargazer13
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06:57 PM on 08/17/2011
I hear Iceland has a new plan :)

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Peabodies
We are the Many. They are the Few.
10:08 PM on 08/17/2011
gazer,

Icelanders have gone the Argentinian route. Private bankers looting our public funds -- Hell NO! Greece should do the same.
06:52 PM on 08/17/2011
Merkel and Sarkozy called for all euro zone nations to enact constitutional amendments requiring balanced budgets. WELL ISN'T THAT A NO BRAINER ? And isn't that what republicans have been calling for here at home ! What is there about this fact that liberals can't understand ? How could any intelligent person not see the outcome of going deeper in debt each year and keep right on spending borrowed money and going even deeper in debt. One has to be mentally challenged not to see this is a recipe for disaster and is exactly what got us into the position we are in now. I wonder just how liberals came up with the dumb idea that we can borrow and spend our way out of debt. I think most of them got this crazy idea from those Socialist College Professors that have infiltrated our educational system. Wouldn't you think that they could at the least take one look at our economic situation and then look at our spending habits and common sense would then clue them in to the problem we have with spending more than we can afford. Come on people wake up, smell the impending disaster coming our way if we don't stop this foolish down hill ride.
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Gentleman Agitator
"...morality is, in fact, hidden in everything.."
04:22 PM on 08/17/2011
The new Holy Roman Empire based solely on the Euro has been a failure.
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cassie reinara
01:21 PM on 08/17/2011
The EU experiment looks like it appears to be in its final death throes. It was meant to create an economic zone large enough to compete with the US and apparently did not consider that all the member nations were not created equally and did not derive their revenues from the same sources. Some of the countries and somewhat weaker member nations rely heavily on tourism and with a strong euro would obviously suffer with that dynamic (no one wants to experience tourism in a country where the costs for a vacation would be quite expensive due to a strong local currency.) Hence, countries such as Greece and Spain are experiencing huge revenue shortfalls. The stronger countries like France and Germany which are more export driven are now being forced to shoulder the burden of keeping a faltering alliance from being disintegrating. This is a last desperate attempt to save the EURO and will only prolong the agony of a senseless economic union. Greece has already technically defaulted and the other countries in trouble may be soon to follow with Italy being the largest economy to date to show signs of trouble. Italy going under will be a huge blow to the European Union and may well be the final straw that breaks the camel's back.
01:31 PM on 08/17/2011
"It was meant to create an economic zone large enough to compete with the US"

That worked out quite well. 2007 the EU overtook the US as the worlds largest economy: http://useconomy.about.com/od/grossdomesticproduct/p/largest_economy.htm

Germany alone exports more stuff than the US: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2078rank.html
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bruno190043
04:29 PM on 08/17/2011
ahahhahahhahhahahhahhahhahah
Peabodies
We are the Many. They are the Few.
10:21 PM on 08/17/2011
netzwerg--at least it worked on the military front, NATO rules again in France after Gen. de Gaulle kicked them out in 1961, and Sarkozy welcomed them back a couple years ago. Meanwhile French recruits are dying in Afgh anis tan .
01:56 PM on 08/17/2011
Let me open the debate from a different angle: If what you write is true doesn't that also mean that "free markets"/"the Invisible Hand"/"The Markets know best" would be empirically proved to be completely false theories?
After all, what you describe here - if true - was the same twenty years ago. It was the same ten years ago, it was the same two years ago. During that time, and in full knowledge of the "no bail out" clause in the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties and in full recognition of the different economic and political stances of the various nations, investors had no issues to offer Greece interest rates on their debt/ bonds (almost) as low as those for Germany. They acted like these were "Eurobonds" in effect although the economic reality was clearly different.
Similarly, isn't it ironic to some extend: The moment especially institutional investors start to put pressure on Italy or Spain, increasing the risk of a default or a dissolving of the EU they risk everything they own. If "The Markets" struggled because of Lehman, what possible will be the effect if in a chain reaction major nations like Italy (a G8 nation!) start defaulting on their debt. The whole global economic system would collapse, all international treaties would be nil and void. Most, if not all, governments will fail to uphold order and the rule of law.
10:52 AM on 08/17/2011
WHY DO THE DEMOCRATS IN AMERICA FIGHT THE IDEA OF A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT..." France and Germany called on Tuesday for a "new economic government" for Europe, with mandatory balanced budgets enshrined in the constitutions of all euro zone members as a way to overcome the debt crisis that has threatened to fracture the continent's fragile common currency."
11:11 AM on 08/17/2011
I am a German, but I see two points in that. First, it's in part a matter of translation/ political agenda setting and terminology.
What Chancellor Merkel and President Sarkozy proposed would be better translated into English as "debt brake" (in German language: "Schuldenbremse"). Without going to much into details, it is a process to balance the budget over a decade on all levels (municipality, state, federal). Furthermore, the amendment does allow (very limited) deficit spending to easy cyclical, economic downswings and it does allow to completely ignore the limits in cases of emergency. What it does is to ensure that politics will have to immediately pay back previous debt in economic upswings, that paying back debt takes precedence over financing tax cuts or creating/ widening entitlements or inventing new, costly programs.
In other words: it reaffirms a Keynesian approach and it just seeks to ensure that the second half of the idea ("pay back debt when there is an upswing") is no longer "forgotten" like it was for the last half a century.
11:29 AM on 08/17/2011
Thanks for the detailed reply. Perhaps an example for the US Congress to follow.
outnow
Ban the bomb
08:33 PM on 08/17/2011
http://larouchepac.com/print/19088

Nice comment. Read this and let me know what you think. Thanks.
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bdoug25000
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04:15 PM on 08/17/2011
They don't. In 2000, The President of the United States, Bill Clinton, a Democrat, if I recall correctly, signed into law a balanced budget, and a plan to eliminate the budget deficit in 10 years. Look it up. The right question to ask would be WHY DO REPUBLICANS FIGHT THE IDEA OF A BALANCED BUDGET? The answer of course would be that they do not want to make any sacrifices to achieve it, i.e. pay taxes. Who IS going to pay for the silly little wars your president got us into and our president is too chickens#!t to get us out of? My poor self is willing to pay more, can you step up to the plate and take responsibility as a citizen of this still great country, Mr Patriot?
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bruno190043
04:34 PM on 08/17/2011
bd, are you kidding??????? the liberals do not want a balanced budget, all they want is more ,more ,more taxes to pay for welfare, welfare ,welfare, and some for Gm,GE, citibank, Am bank ect ect ect oppss dont forget to pay off the Unions
07:18 PM on 08/17/2011
Where have you been getting your information from, comic books? The liberals don't want a balanced budget, its the republicans that argue for a balanced budget. I guess you didn't pay much attention during the recent fight over the debt ceiling bill getting passed. What did you think that was all about anyway? Sheeesh
10:13 AM on 08/17/2011
US dollar "devolu" so much in Europe, to buy a 4oz bottle water cost $10.00/bottle.. STOP spending No"Bama!!! Stop printing money don't have, and Stop taking so many eloborates vactions, playing many golf games, and get back to WORK and PUT a P-L-A-N on the table.
10:21 AM on 08/17/2011
"4oz bottle water cost $10.00/bot­tle.."

What a nonsense.
10:28 AM on 08/17/2011
PS: I sell you a bottle of water for 5$, including shipping to America. Minimum is 10 bottles. Paypal is ok.
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scott7841
PDD 51 is not a vitamin...just a bitter pill
09:53 AM on 08/17/2011
Eurozone Government.....Super Congress..........North American Union..........Does anyone else here see a pattern developing around tthe world? A steady shift of control of people and money into the hands of a chosen few. BE AFRAID......VERY AFRAID
flkewlkid00
waste is a terrible thing to mind
10:01 AM on 08/17/2011
the sky is falling too ! gloom and doom are upon us,armageddon is near,end days are soon,yadayadayada...................you are definitely a teabagger
10:12 AM on 08/17/2011
Only the clueless are afraid or very afraid. No, honestly there is no pattern here. But in case you are from the US, a good start would be to end the huge income disparity in America. This means of course working closely with unions, finally tax the rich, organize some affordable health care for all, apply governmental regulations for industries like mining, drilling for oil, etc. In short : all of what we do over here in Europe. You can in fact get the best of us without turning European, it is mainly common sense.
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FEsrigoHL
02:06 PM on 08/17/2011
I always site Germany as a good example of a country. The only critcism I have is : a person was complaining about something to do with health care. I said complain to whoever deals with that. They had strained looks and said NO, they would get in trouble !! So, has Germany not really changed fully from a time when THEY had to be afraid of their government? We may dislike our government but do not have personal FEAR of it giving us trouble if we complain. We may get the run around but don't worry that a uniform will come to our door and take us downtown for "Questioning". And yes, I know people are arrested unjustly, but not because they criticize the government.
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bruno190043
04:41 PM on 08/17/2011
cologne,,,,, like you say everyone should make $4.00 per hour, from the CEO to the sweeper, wait 6 months to get a Doctor appointment and unother 6 months to get a bed in a hospital.............. a friend of mine in Italy waited 6 months for a bed to have his hip repaired after a fall, and woman 5 months for some exrays, she ended up going to a private Doctor and pay 200 e,,,, amen to that idea
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Ethernum
The cutting edge in the heat
09:53 AM on 08/17/2011
This euro summit brought nothing new, no solution, just another show to reassure investors, but if I was a very big investor with billions I would not be reassured at all, the financial market is still living its own way, slaloming govt policy everywhere in front.
11:21 AM on 08/17/2011
Two thoughts:
a) there is simply no quick and easy solution. Certainly no "quick" solution. These are elected leaders in democracies, not totalitarian autocrats who can rule out things without feedback to our parliaments and people. Even investors - aren't they also (political) citizens? - should understand that.
b) the first and foremost duty of politicians is not to reassure (foreign) investors but to reassure their people. They certainly are not CEO's of companies. You cannot run a nation as if it was a company.
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Ethernum
The cutting edge in the heat
01:38 PM on 08/17/2011
Since 2008 and the start of the crisis, they had time to try to implement a lot of solution and explain it to citizens, but once more insteaded of coming explain what they plan to do to confront the crisis, they come with empty hands and empty speach, how can they be trusted ?

The financial market move at a very high speed while countries are moving far too low, and the're supposed to solve the crisis !!! how could it be ? It remind me the german blitzkrieg against a desorganized and ill equipped France in 1940, time to understand what happen, it's already too late.
09:15 AM on 08/17/2011
Wondering if Mr. Obama would want in on this Idea? You know one world leader for all. I had posted a comment sent to me by one of the men I served with last night, I don't think the Obama supporter took it as it was meant, I wrote maybe instead of just being President, Mr. Obama's goal was to be President of the Federation of Planets. But maybe we have stopped laughing at little things, but than again there isn't much to laugh about these days.
08:41 AM on 08/17/2011
Let them hug and kiss while the US develops a plan for ISOLATIONISM. We don't need to become entwined in the rest of the world's problems - political or economic. The only one to get it right is Ron Paul - LIBERTARIAN. Some people may snicker at him, but the overall platform of the Libertarians makes sense. We have spent trillions of dollars since WWII involving ourselves in every corner of the world. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! And by the way ISOLATIONISM means stiff tariffs on all imported goods. Level the playing field.
08:48 AM on 08/17/2011
I agree with Ron Paul, he's probably the only guy that can save the US, but Isolationism would be the coffin nail to the US economy.
08:55 AM on 08/17/2011
While there would be some short-term pain with isolationism, there would be long-term gain. The reason we have never been able to try this approach is multi-national corporations and (you guessed it) BANKERS are pulling the political strings, steering this country into world economic inter-dependency. BIG MISTAKE. Thanks for your comment!
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Bruce Erickson
09:21 AM on 08/17/2011
Ron Paul isn't he the guy that goes to China to buy his campaign supplies instead of buying them here in America? Yep he sure has and shows what trust and loyalty he has to the American worker and way of life. First he insults the American worker and then he asks for their vote. I see now why he has tried to become our leader in the past but has always failed. He does seem to have a good scam going with the election contributions and all. "IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED PULL THE WOOL OVER THEIR EYES"
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itala2
09:01 AM on 08/17/2011
Isolationism in a globally driven economy ? Exports?, Imports? Forget it all? Stock market? No investors in the US? That bodes well for the future.
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Ethernum
The cutting edge in the heat
09:16 AM on 08/17/2011
The global economy is driven by liberal's Chinese export to the world, but when it come to imports they're heavily protectiononist, it doesn't seem to be isolationist for them, nor causing any damage to their economy.

Why are we accepting cheap imports and expensives export ? it's not the way it work.
09:51 AM on 08/17/2011
That is the point we do not agree with globalism. We want a strong soveriegn nation. Bring back industrial America and the creed buy American. The EU can fall off the face of the earth as far as patriotic Americans care. It is all about our future and our economy. If you want to be a globalist fan boy fine just admit you hate our country.
timber1647
It's either sadness or euphoria
08:41 AM on 08/17/2011
Over the last two hundred years both the French and Germans have tried unsuccessfully to create a "one Europe" system, though admittedly with force of arms and on their own. Now they link together to try and accomplish through finance what they could not accomplish through conquest. Far fetched? Tongue in cheek? Maybe. Then again, maybe not.
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itala2
09:03 AM on 08/17/2011
Germand and French trying to conquer together? History seems to show the opposite.
timber1647
It's either sadness or euphoria
09:48 AM on 08/17/2011
Sorry, you read it incorrectly. My point was they tried conquest separately. France about two Hundred years ago and Germany 60 and 90 years ago. Sorry for the confusion.
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FEsrigoHL
02:14 PM on 08/17/2011
above did NOT say they did it together. It did say "on their own". I hope you are not American. If you are take a reading course or do not comment.
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Ethernum
The cutting edge in the heat
08:24 AM on 08/17/2011
"Balanced Budget" is a joke, Sarkozy, elected in 2007 is the one who pushed France debt from 1200 billions (euro) to 1700 billions in only 4 years the worst degradation ever seen :

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Dette_publique_France_1978-2010.png

and the crisis is not over, how is he supposed to balance the budget ? where the money will come from ? If he pretend to balance the budget, then how come he hasn't started before ?

Another carnival summit, come and see miracle, the rabbit out of the hat, monster deficit goes to slimmer fast and political creature doing the show, it's not economy, it's entertainment.

And still no solution to offer.
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bruno190043
04:57 PM on 08/17/2011
They should stop spending more then what the Country takes in, let people work till 65 like in America, ( unless the are city workers ) ahahhahaha.
Cut pensions
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Ethernum
The cutting edge in the heat
04:08 PM on 08/18/2011
you should better blame people who organised the drying of state earning
07:41 PM on 08/17/2011
Don't ever rely on ­wikipedia as a reliable source, what they call facts are just someones personal opinions and can be edited to suit the individual.
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tangledweb1027
Right, Justice and the American Way
08:21 AM on 08/17/2011
Oh yes, when the philosophy fails just make it bigger and broader. This is a response to Switzerland going back to Francs. Tryning to perserve the Euro at this point seems, well...lame.
08:26 AM on 08/17/2011
"This is a response to Switzerlan­d going back to Francs."

For your info: Switzerland never was part of the EU.
Switzerland never had the Euro as currency.

Where do you guys get your "info" from???
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tangledweb1027
Right, Justice and the American Way
10:26 AM on 08/17/2011
Really, then how come Switzerland announced this week it was returning to Francs? It's all so confusing. LMAO
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FEsrigoHL
02:17 PM on 08/17/2011
Everyone I met in Finland & Germany in 06 did NOT like the Euro: esp Germans who got 50Euros for every Deutsche Mark at the exchange. WAAAA !!
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tangledweb1027
Right, Justice and the American Way
03:43 PM on 08/17/2011
Brits won't take Euros either.
08:13 AM on 08/17/2011
A financial transactions tax is a great idea. I make about a hundred stock trades a year myself. I wouldn't mind paying one cent a share each time. This tax would be paid mainly by the high frequency traders using computers to manipulate the market and whose trades make up most of the trading volume. If the tax results in less of this activity, all the better. It has no economic value. If the tax doesn't reduce such activity, we should increase it one cent a year until it does.

For exotic derivative products like CDO's, the tax should be based on how much we already spent on bailing out people who bought them (several trillion) divided by the value of the ones issued each year. If this results in less derivative products being sold, great! There should also be a tax of $500,000/year for every person employed in creating or trading derivatives with the goal of reducing this activity which contributes nothing but higher taxes to the average American and creates no economic wealth, improvement in productivity, or any other beneficial affect to the average person.
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raal246
09:00 AM on 08/17/2011
Great! Hit the ones investing in our economy! Great IDEA!
How about Cleaning up the entitlement programs! In Fla, the Gove just signed into Law that welfare recipients MUST be tested for drugs before receiving help! Best part - applicants PAY for the test and IF negative and receive welfare- they get the money back!
I wish we could find a way to track 'visitors' at unwed mother's section 8 housing! If they have an overnight guest 40 % of the time - no section 8!
09:06 AM on 08/17/2011
"Great! Hit the ones investing in our economy! Great IDEA!"

Gambling in the Wall Street Casino isn't the economy, it produces nothing of wealth.
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tteeghen
refuses to engage in name-calling
09:22 AM on 08/17/2011
Since buying stocks on wall street is kinda like casino gambling, do we next tax every single pull of a slot machine?
01:01 PM on 08/17/2011
A tax on trading would stop short-term investing and shorting, and investing for the long-haul would come back. The financial sector could get back to what they are suppose to do: preserving and growing wealth instead of gambling with it through day-trading. The stock market would stay more stable over-all and repetitive crashes would start to go away.

The banks are important because they are suppose to create credit. Without credit, there would be no loans for new business ventures and no credit cards for consumers. Even though credit cards are kind of evil, they are necessary for emergencies, like when your car needs repairs and you don't have the cash on hand immediately. Credit, overall, is meant to encourage growth. The problem with our financial sector is that they make up too much of the economy and that they are very under-regulated. That's why they've become a casino of sorts and abusive of their customers: over-feeing consumers, punishing borrowers and using the money of retirees for their own financial gains.
04:18 PM on 08/17/2011
I fully agree and I might add these thoughts:
The further this whole "story" develops, the more I am convinced that temporarily the big(ger) players in continental Europe should follow the examples of Norway and Sweden in the 90s: Nationalize the struggling banks, found an institute like the Swedish Riksgälden and authorize them to intervene in the bank's operations towards one goal: clear the balance sheets and organize a process to deal with bad/subprime credits in a way that comes with the least expenses for public money. Once that is sufficiently completed, again sell the banks/ the shares of the banks. No bonuses, no dividends, no "shareholder value".
Looking at what transpired here in Germany over the last couple of years, I would suggest to also nationalize the Deutsche Bank. Yes, they are not struggling. Yes, they seem to have done nothing/ not much, legally wrong. But clearly they used their prominent position within the German financial sector to dump their subprime assets to the Landesbanken just before the s..t hit the fan.
If there is "no taxation without representation" then there clearly also should be "no taxpayer money without representation"
08:11 AM on 08/17/2011
A government for the governments. Sooooo ridiculous.

I wonder what roll democracy will pay in the election of this super gvmt.

You know things are desperate when real headlines read like onion headlines,
08:19 AM on 08/17/2011
"A government for the government­s. Sooooo ridiculous­."

Kind of like the US federal government.