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Conrad Murray Trial: Expert Doctors And Former Colleagues Fight Over Who Killed Jackson

Michael Jackson Doctor Trial

LINDA DEUTSCH   10/31/11 09:11 PM ET   AP

LOS ANGELES — With his trial nearing completion, the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death told a judge on Monday he had not yet decided about whether he will testify in his own defense.

"I will still need more time to talk to my counsel about it," Dr. Conrad Murray told Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor when asked whether the doctor understood his options to testify or remain silent.

Murray said he would let the judge know his decision Tuesday.

His comments outside the jury's presence came at the end of a day when he heard his own expert witness say that he wouldn't have accepted payment to do what Murray did for Michael Jackson – administering a hospital anesthetic in the star's bedroom.

"I wouldn't even consider it," Dr. Paul White said. "It's something no amount of money could convince me to take on."

The use of the drug propofol to treat Jackson's insomnia was "a complete off-label use of the drug," he said. White also acknowledged that the drug should never be given outside a medical facility because of the need for proper lifesaving equipment.

White, a highly regarded and now-retired anesthesiologist, is sometimes referred to as "the father of propofol" for his early research on the drug. But on Monday he was a less-than-respected figure, drawing criticism from the prosecutor and censure from the judge who threatened to fine him $1,000 for contempt of court.

White came under a bruising cross-examination by prosecutor David Walgren, who attacked the expert's recent claim that Jackson caused his own death. Walgren questioned White's scientific calculations and noted he once led the defense to think Jackson drank an extra dose of propofol.

White acknowledged he had done no research on that theory when he posed it. A study later showed the theory to be unsupportable, he said.

While stopping short of blaming Murray for the singer's death, White blurted out during cross-examination that he believed Murray had loaded a syringe with the drug propofol and left it where Jackson could have gained access to it.

That scenario had not been offered before and it could explain how a groggy Jackson could have awakened from sedation, grabbed the syringe and injected the drug into his IV line.

Defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan tried to repair some of the damage by having White justify Murray's delay in calling 911 for help when he found Jackson not breathing. White suggested by that time, Jackson was probably dead and it would not have mattered if paramedics were called quickly.

Murray has said he delayed calling 911 while trying to give Jackson CPR.

White also said it would not have helped if Murray had disclosed to paramedics or hospital workers that he had given Jackson propofol. Murray didn't mention the drug until two days after Jackson's death, when he was interviewed by police.

Pastor had told White outside the jury's presence to stop trying to sneak in references to private conversations he had with Murray. The witness had suggested his opinions were partially based on what Murray told him, but those talks were not submitted as evidence.

At one point, White said he had been told by Murray that Jackson had his own stash of propofol beyond the hundreds of bottles of the drug that Murray had purchased and shipped to his girlfriend's apartment. Pastor warned White not to try to bring up the conversations or other excluded information again.

"It's deliberate and I don't like it," Pastor said. "It's not going to happen again."

But by the end of the morning, the judge said White had violated his order. He chastised White for telling the jurors at one point: "I'd like to talk to you about this, but the judge told me I couldn't."

He said he considered that remark direct contempt of court but would allow White to explain at a contempt hearing on Nov. 16 before he imposes the $1,000 fine.

White was repeatedly questioned about the ways in which Murray had broken guidelines and rules governing propofol use. Walgren confronted him with excerpts from his own writings in textbooks that set down rules broken by Murray when he administered the drug in Jackson's bedroom.

He also challenged a series of charts presented to the jury by White, who said he had not prepared them and had another expert do the work. The defense said that expert would testify Tuesday before the defense rests its case.

Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter, has acknowledged he was giving Jackson doses of the propofol in the singer's bedroom as a sleep aid. He told police that he left Jackson's room for two minutes on June 25, 2009, and returned to find the pop superstar unresponsive.

White said in forming his opinions, he assumed Murray was out of the room much longer, making phone calls. The retired anesthesiologist said he would not leave the room if he were treating a patient who had indicated he liked to inject propofol into himself, as Murray claims that Jackson had told him.

White said he has been paid $11,000 for his work for the defense so far.

White's testimony put him at odds with his colleague and longtime friend, Dr. Steven Shafer, who testified for the prosecution. Shafer said White's self-administration theory is not supported by the evidence in the case, in his view, and he called the theory "crazy" during his testimony earlier this month.

White and Shafer were colleagues at Stanford University and conducted research on propofol before it was approved for use in U.S. operating rooms in 1989. Both help edit a leading anesthesia journal, and until White's retirement last year, both were practicing anesthesiologists.

Walgren said Shafer will return as a prosecution rebuttal witness Tuesday.

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AP Entertainment Writer Anthony McCartney contributed to this report.

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McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP

 
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04:38 PM on 10/31/2011
I find myself reading all the comments in this case and, like everyone else, have my opinion. I believe that Dr. Murray should be held accountable for Michael's death based on the following: (A) he was using a medication inappropriately ... if the proporfol was designed for emergency use in a hospital setting ... why would he use in Michael's bedroom? (B) From what I gather, proporfol is one of those drugs that should be monitored ... so why would a doctor leave the room? No matter for what reason or for how long. (C) why would any doctor try to "cover up" and neglect to mention any medications that he had administered to his patient ... that in itself makes him look guilty as sin. (D) I believe that Michael was a long time drug addict that required more and more drugs in order to maintain his energy. However, the idea that HE himself took the fatal dose does not fly ...(E) Dr. Murray should be found GUILTY of GROSS neglegance and spend the rest of his life in prison ... no chance of parole.
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chris784100
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04:27 PM on 10/31/2011
How about Jackson killed Jackson? That or kharma.
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04:11 PM on 10/31/2011
Dr. White is a certified quack
04:03 PM on 10/31/2011
It seems to me that this doctor was enabling Michael Jacksons' drug addiction, for money, or simply because he was a fan. I sincerely doubt anyone else would have been able to get a cardiologist to come over with anesthetics to help us sleep. This is the territory of the extremely wealthy. I also doubt that the doctor intended MJ any harm, it's just that the "help" MJ wanted was not in his best interests. It's probably harder to find people who will tell a celebrity "no" than it is to find people who will tell a celebrity exactly what they want to hear, and do whatever the celebrity asks them to do.
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Kenneth Neugent
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03:56 PM on 10/31/2011
Murray is Guilty up to his eyeballs. As a physician, you never, ever use Propofol in a home setting. This is a drug only used in a hospital setting within a I.C.U. or in the E.R.
This is not a sleep aid, regardless of what anyone says this Doc went way to far, and it caused death in a home environment.
You must use this drug close to a code cart with intubation equipment, Emergency drugs, and Respiratory Therapist and RN's close by to assist in case the patient suffers apnea or cardiac instability while administering this drug.
Conrad Murray knew what he was doing. He should be found Guilty. The standard of care was negligent and wreckless. Any Physician should expect to go to jail if you give Propofol in a home setting. Period.
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robtral62961
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03:20 PM on 10/31/2011
This guy is Guilty of Murder and nothing less. Those meds should have been under Lock and Key at all times with only Him having access to them. He should also be charged with Child Endangerment leaving those drugs unlocked with Children in the house, Clearly shows he was not looking out for MJ best intrest as a Dr should be doing.
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04:11 PM on 10/31/2011
I agree. They should have brought murder 1 and 2 against this zany crazy doctor.
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chris784100
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04:33 PM on 10/31/2011
Its not murder. Why would he want to kill his meal ticket? Now the parents of all the kids he diddled might want him dead, although any parents that gave their kids over to this animal need to have their parental rights taken away. Jackson was a sick dude. The fact he seem to have an endless supply of kids to touch is pretty disgusting. Good job parents you did a bang up job raising your kids.
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robtral62961
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05:04 PM on 10/31/2011
I am not making any excuse for MJ at all if he did or not has never been proven. As to the Parents who let their children sleep over after the first time then You are Right about the Parents. I'm talking about this Dr and his Actions and Lack of nothing else.
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GOODDOC1
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05:29 PM on 10/31/2011
This may very be second degree murder, as he supposedly wasn't actively trying to kill MJ. I don't understand why they couldn't have tried him for voluntary manslaughter at the least, however.
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02:30 PM on 10/31/2011
Every day when i read the latest on this, it makes me sick. I honestly believe that this doctor loved Michael and surely never wanted to hurt him. Besides loving and caring for Michael, this was his money ticket.
But I miss Michael, he was one the best singers, composers, musician, dancer, that ever walked on this earth, but boy, he had some problems. Not all were his fault. I would say his childhood screwed his up real good. And his mean old father, and the mother that was afraid to stick for her kids.
I wish this would end.....Let Michael has some peace.....
03:48 PM on 10/31/2011
EXCELLANT POST. MICHAEL IS AT REST FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE, WITH OUR lOVING FATHER IN HEAVEN WHO DOES UNDERSTAND HIM AMEN.
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belgarde1
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02:04 PM on 10/31/2011
Does anyone know if they have found (Prosecutors) any other so called patients, that are well known or have alot of money that Conrad is their YES MAN,so called Doctor for. You know what I mean like he was for Michael. I don't mean the ones the defense brought in I mean people like Michael. It may be hard to get them to admit he is their doctor and come forward, because once you find a legal drug dealer the last thing you want to do is roll over on him but there has to be more out there. Michael was referred to him for a reason. So there has to be more. Let's face it's a good time to talk because whatever the out come Conrad is going to be watched like Bin Laden for the rest of his life now,Oh that's right Bin Laden's dead, well you know what I mean. Besides I'm sure if there is they would be protected against getting into any trouble for any "illegal drug activity".They just have to say they didn't realise what they were doing. They just did what the Doctor prescribed.
01:50 PM on 10/31/2011
One doctor states that "Evidence at the scene supports what Michael Jackson said about, liking to inject himself with propofol". I'd LOVE to read about what "evidence" that IS! I'm assuming Murray had an IV established in Jackson (or by this time possibly a vascular access device permanently placed for the supposed nightly nonsense). Would Jackson be so foolish/desperate to act like a heroin junkie and tie his own arm off, locate a vein and inject the propofol himself if there was no IV in place? IF Murray WAS actually declining to inject the propofol as he states (but NEVER supports on ANY type of record-keeping or documentation...GAWD, what an idiot!!!!), maybe Jackson DID inject himself. Maybe Murray was there, maybe he turned his back or left the room briefly. And if this was happening, how much of the lethal propofol was Murray leaving for Jackson to inject himself with? It was written a while back that Jackson did have a "private stash" of it, so the sky's the limit in that case. What a freakin' Dog & Pony Show this turning into-just as expected! Nevertheless, Murray was about as incompetant as he could possibly have been. I'd personally like to see Murray convicted and sent to the prison in the Philippians where many of the inmates did so many dance routines in their show of love and support of Jackson...Bye bye Dr. Murray...they'll take REAL good care of you down there!!
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02:45 PM on 10/31/2011
To add to what you said, there's this. Dr. Murray claims he only left Mikey alone for two minutes. Does anyone think that was enough time for Michael to get up off the bed or whatever he was on, I assume not completely alert and wide awake, tie his arm and inject the drug? I seriously doubt that can be done in two minutes. Murray is obviously lieing and he's going down hard.
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hman570
01:41 PM on 10/31/2011
If this Docrtor did give Jackson the fatial dose of meds he did everyone a favor and should be giving a medal!!! Got one child molester off the streets for good!! Way to go Doc!!!!!
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belgarde1
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02:47 PM on 10/31/2011
then apparently you would like to have Conrad be your families personal family doctor. If I were you I would do what ever it takes to get his phone number to start setting up appointments with him. I understand he has an extremely open work load, you should be able to get an appointment right away. Good luck and hopefully we'll hear from you again after you see him but I doubt it. As far as the so called child molesting um read the news the family just wanted MONEY> unfortunately when a person is an artist you are subject to all sorts of allegations. Even the President of the US you know his Birth Certificate? Every Presidential candidate. Every actor, singer, author,etc is subject to anything and everything true or not. So unless you personally live with a person day in and day out how can you make a TRUE judgement on anyone?
04:29 PM on 10/31/2011
What court was Michael Jackson found guilty of child molestation in? As far as I know none. I feel sorry for you, for being so closed minded as to believe that MJ would do anything to hurt a child in any way shape or fashion. All he did was give give give and all anyone did was take from him and cause him hurt and pain. Yes way to go Doc straight to you know where for taking such a warm loving soul from the face of this earth. RIP MJ
01:20 PM on 10/31/2011
This has got to be the most uncomfortable $11,000 Dr. White has ever earned....
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belgarde1
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01:12 PM on 10/31/2011
Conrad was not an anesthesologist, not at a hospital, I doubt he did any blood tests to see what Michael had already taken before administirring any more medication, if Michael, had taken other medication before asking for this. Obviosly from his recording he was looped and did not need any more. Just on the fact that the doctor was not a licensed anesthesolgist finds him guilty. He was doing it for the money only. If they find him not guilty there is something really wrong with this world. As Michael was a proffessional at singing, Conrad is suppose to be a professional as a doctor. Would you want Conrad to watch over your loved one? I mean if you had money and your loved one had Conrad for a doctor and there was even a chance that your loved one may want Conrad to give him something that isn't in Conrads line of profession would you trust Conrad to say " no I can't give that to you because I'm not licensed to do that." or after this do you think that handing Conrad a few thousand there's a good chance your loved one is going to get what ever he wants. I should've said not knowing about this case what are the chances that Conrad would do whatever a client wants for the almighty buck. I wonder how many other patients Conrad has given medications to that has nothing to do with his profession a Cardiologist?
02:08 PM on 10/31/2011
I don't believe that he is even "board certified" as a cardiologist.
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belgarde1
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04:42 PM on 10/31/2011
your probably right I don't think he's certified for anything to be honest. LOL Thanks for correcting me.
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bonytaker
01:08 PM on 10/31/2011
NOT GUILTY,doubt has to be in the minds of the jury somewhere,too much of this and that OR whatever feelings
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cscott2
12:50 PM on 10/31/2011
Dr. Paul White must have been paid for his testimony or he is crazy as a loon. He is probably jealous of Dr. Steven Schafer. I'll go along with Dr. Scha.
fers version of Michael Jackson's death. Dr. White if he was being honest would himself acknowledge that when one comes through from using Propofol they are not that alert and need assistance just to wake up and move. I know because I have undergone procedures where the drug is used. So he must have been paid to lie on the jury stand which is a crime.
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invmartyc
Am I not turtle enough for the turtle club?
12:29 PM on 10/31/2011
What is the big question here? The man administered a drug for a purpose that it was not designed for and did not properly monitor the patient as prescribed by the maker of the drug. Both of these are FDA violations and had they not been done Jackson would not have died.

This is just tactics by the defence to muddy up the water.

Manslaughter by negligence.
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cscott2
01:24 PM on 10/31/2011
I agree with you invmarty c. Those facts are the only thing that matters. This whole trial was put on TV just for money for everyone and is a disgrace. Prominent lawyers and a Judge acting like fools in regards to a matter that is not difficult at all. Wasting tax payers money showing it's not truth that all these high paid court officials and justice system is concerned with any longer but who can win. What a disgrace for all those involved. A 6 year old could figure this scenario out and all these people and stations getting paid big bucks over the death and murder of an indiviual addicted or notl. A disgrace!
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invmartyc
Am I not turtle enough for the turtle club?
02:51 PM on 10/31/2011
Right you are too! When you get a high profile case like this and a defense attorney wanting to make a name for him or herself they turn the proceedings into a circus. They should stick to the facts and stop the smoke and mirrors. The judge should be able to do that but in many ways his hands are tied. And of course the media is there selling it to whomever lives to know about this.

The truth is MJ was a tortured little man. His father milked him like a cow and everyone had their hands out for money. I feel sorry for his tragic life. Like him or not he has always been a talented person.