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New York School's Strict Bathroom Policy Rewards Students For Holding It In, Outrages Parents

Bathroom Policy

First Posted: 01/18/12 04:00 PM ET Updated: 01/19/12 11:36 AM ET

Rewarding young students with stickers for a job well done on school assignments is commonplace, but one New York school is doling out those coveted prizes for another type of good performance: holding it in.

Parents of children at Coney Island's PS 90 are up in arms over a new policy that they say will give their kids bladder problems and have children wetting themselves in class. The new rule, put in place last Friday, strictly limits how often 5th graders in teacher Stephanie Warner's class can go to the bathroom, and when they're permitted to go, according to an email obtained by the Brooklyn Daily.

"Only one person at a time, they must have the pass, they have three minutes, they must sign in and out properly, and they must ask me," Warner wrote to school Principal Greta Hawkins in the email acquired by the Brooklyn Daily. "If the procedures are not followed properly, they will receive a note home."

Warner implemented the new policy because she became "exasperated with the constant bathroom needs," and the strict rules were the only solution she could conjure, according to her email.

Students who can control their bladder needs and don't use any of their vouchers during the week can earn prizes like pencils and stickers.

"Eight hours a day for five days, three passes -- that doesn't make any sense," parent Sandra Leon told the Brooklyn Daily. "[My son] has a bladder problem and is getting surgery for it -- and this is exacerbating it."

The controversy over PS 90's new bathroom policy comes after students at a Manhattan high school rioted new bathroom rules in December. Murry Bergtraum High School students rushed the halls after Principal Andrea Lewis closed school bathrooms to students because of a fight that broke out during class.

Lewis reportedly only permitted bathroom use in the nurse's office, and was accused of threatening that students would be arrested for engaging in fights, CBS 2/1010 WINS reported.

In Texas, McKinney North High School students are outraged that school officials have removed bathroom doors -- to "keep kids safe," though students are convinced the move was made to prevent students from engaging in sexual behavior.

The decision to remove the doors reportedly happened around the same time that school officials spoke to students about inappropriate public displays of affection, but administrators assert that the two incidents are unrelated.

 
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05:17 PM on 01/19/2012
The bathroom doors at our school don't even shut... :p
05:13 PM on 01/19/2012
Simple! Bureaucratic teachers and administrators who have zero training in childhood development. They probably (guessing here) have the same disciplinary control problems with their own kids, if they have any. They impose their failures to create a safe, nurturing and sound educational environment is the real problem while they deflect their own shortcomings onto the students. It is happening more and more throughout the country because the very "all about me" generations are now given the responsibility to educate our kids whether they are really qualified of not. More stupid rules to cover their own inabilities.
05:46 PM on 01/19/2012
haha, you're funny. To get a degree in education, you must pass a variety of early childhood development, child psychology, anatamy+physiology, and pedagogy classes. You get certified in the state you teach by passing tests(such as the praxis), demonstrating proficiency during an internship, and passing a college level degree program. Also, THEY CAN STILL GO TO THE BATHROOM DURING CLASS!!!!! All this does is send one kid at a time to the bathroom instead of a herd of kids using the bathroom as an excuse to get out of work and socialize. Every student still has opportunities to use the bathroom at approriate times at least 4 or 5 times a day.
07:04 PM on 01/19/2012
I am glad you think this is funny. I am married to the head of Elementary Education Special Education in the town where we live. I have two sisters and a daughter who are excellent teachers. The fact that teachers have a degree does not mean they did well in college or that they are good teachers. As not all people who have children are good or qualified parents, not all teachers and administrators are worth the degrees they hold. Having the kids take turns is great. Imposing time restrictions to all kids is dangerous and very bureaucratic.The rules imposed are stupid and show a failure of the school system to address children's needs properly rather then make life comfortable for teachers. If a child needs additional time on a toilet so what! If a child is spending an excessive amount of time then the parents need to alerted so they, the parents, can take "their child" to a doctor to determine if there is a medical or psychological issue. Ever hear of a PPT? The parents and their doctor, not the teacher or an administrator, determine what special considerations a child needs and the school implements same as part of the child's IEP.
04:59 PM on 01/19/2012
What about those girls who need to use the bathroom to address their monthly 'visitor'? (Sorry, I was trying to be 'delicate'.)

This teacher is being ridiculous and micro-managing bodily functions. What's next? It seems to me that the teacher should be directing her energy and efforts into making the content of her lessons more engaging so that students don't feel the need to escape to the bathroom.

FWIW I am a teacher.
05:49 PM on 01/19/2012
those students CAN STILL LEAVE CLASS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM and take care of any feminine issues they may have.....if the 4 or 5 breaks aren't already enough to take care of them(of course, it's still only 5th grade).
10:06 AM on 01/20/2012
Being one of many girls who had to deal with this issue in 5th grade, I find you glaringly ignorant. And, the age for first menses is decreasing over time. It is utterly ridiculous for this teacher (or any other teacher, for that matter), to put constraints on students' bodily functions. What if it takes longer than 3 minutes? Jeeze. My husband can spend and easy 20 minutes in there.

I just don't see any way that this bathroom reward/punishment system is justified.
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04:57 PM on 01/19/2012
There is absolutely nothing ominous about this policy. As a teacher, it makes much sense. Do these parents really want their kids wandering the halls at all times during the day. I am sure during the school day there are many times when students get a chance to use the bathroom, lunch time, during class transitions as other posters have mentioned before. Why do students have to have free reign to go to the bathroom during instrutional time? And even worse, why are parents up in arms.
My daughter has a bladder condition where she needs to use the bathroom pretty frequently and for a 5th grader pretty frequently is like 4-5 times a day. Kids/humans do not use the bathroom every hour..If that is the case then they must have some kind of condition. Three passes a day sound pretty lenient to me actually. And as a teacher I barely get to use the bathroom during the day and I do not have bladder infections and blockages or whatever else people are saying here (even though I probably should, count my self lucky really)
And btw, many students use bathroom breaks as a way of getting out of class just to get out of class or to cause trouble in the hallways.
04:45 PM on 01/19/2012
Any of the school officials happen to have a German accent or goose-step down the hallway? just curious.
04:32 PM on 01/19/2012
As a teacher, it onlly makes sense to have requirements. The teacher is responsible for the safety of his/her student while at school. When the student leaves the classroom, the teacher cannot properly supervise. I'm certain that the teacher does provide bathroom breaks throughout the day, so the the need for a hall pass should truly be an emergency. Students with heath issues are covered under other policies, and should have accommodations made for them.
04:31 PM on 01/19/2012
Has anyone ever heard of kidney failure? Or bowel obstruction? These are what can happen when you "hold it in" too long. People, especially children, can end up in surgery, wearing a urine or colostomy pouch, or dying. That the people taking care of the kids during the day are this obsessed with "convenience" is appalling! Over reaction? I don't think so! And if you don't want to deal with children in this way, then get out of the teaching profession! Kids are first, NOT teachers.
04:51 PM on 01/19/2012
you are overreacting. You should probably re-read the article where it said, "Only one person at a time, they must have the pass, they have three minutes, they must sign in and out properly, and they must ask me,". They are still allowed to go, but not all at once during instructional time. They are allowed to go any time during the day, provided nobody else is gone at that moment. If someone is gone, then they wait 3 minutes and then can go when the other student gets back. Nobody is telling the students they may not go, not even during instructional time....just not when someone else is gone.
05:14 PM on 01/19/2012
Yes..... this is exactly what has happened to my 9 year old son!! He holds in going to the bathroom at school because the teachers automatically tell him no, he can wait..... now he has a big problem whith going number 2 because he is use to having to hold it. Now he has a real problem with going to the bathroom. He thinks it's a bad thing to have to go and that he should have to hold it. This has been going on for years now and I'm having a real hard time trying to untrain that way of thinking for him!! I have talked to the teachers and principal but I'm not sure they understand the damage they have done!! Because when I was visiting the school one day my son asked to go to the bathroom and the teacher told him no and to hold it in. Until she saw me and realized who she was talking to. If you want to control kids walking the halls then have hall monitors!!! That's what they did when I went to school and that was ages ago!!!
05:58 PM on 01/19/2012
They shouldn't say no. Just like the teacher in the article does NOT say no. She has them go one at a time. At worst, the teacher should ask, "Can you hold on until after directions or is it an emergency?". Make a fuss and be sure that teacher learns not to tell the students, "NO", to a bathroom request. Hall monitors are out of the question. The IA's in schools are already tasked to the hilt and there's no funding for new hires.
04:31 PM on 01/19/2012
School is no place for children!
04:17 PM on 01/19/2012
FYI - teachers get even fewer breaks to use the restroom than students. As a teacher, I'm very aware that I only have planning time twice A WEEK. All other times I am to monitor my students. Doesn't leave very much time to use the restroom. Believe me, we are well aware of the problems this causes.
The students do have the opportunity to use the restroom, just not during INSTRUCTIONAL TIME. Restroom breaks are built into the daily schedule, normally about 4 a day. This is a time where everyone in the class has the opportunity if they choose to take it. It's amazing sometimes how the same students never have to go until the teaching and assessments start, then it's an emergency! Do I let them go - absolutely. If it becomes an every day occurance, then it becomes an issue and parents are invited to become involved in the solution.
Way too many people are overreacting!
Come in. Do the job. See what rules you would enforce. Good luck!
04:11 PM on 01/19/2012
I'm completely shocked that in this day and age that the picture of the young child sitting on the toilet has been even posted with this story. Maybe I'm overreacting but I'm pretty sure it's not necessary at all and there is really no logical reason to post it since everyone knows what it means to go to the bathroom. Whomever made the decision to post this picture is completely wrong but hey... that's just my opinion.
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03:56 PM on 01/19/2012
One of my Daughter's classes in High School requires you to have so many points built up before you can use those points to get a pass to go the Bathroom.
03:28 PM on 01/19/2012
No one should have to even ASK to leave the classroom to use the facility. Some kids are embarrassed to put their hand up in front of 25 other kids to ask. This rule is unbelievable, I would take my kid out of that school and home school. And three minutes? It takes that long to walk down the hall.
03:41 PM on 01/19/2012
You are ignorant! You have no idea what it is like in a school. Until you do quit talking!
03:49 PM on 01/19/2012
Name calling isn't going to help people with limited experience or first-hand knowledge come around to your point of view. There are civil ways to explain why their post was incorrect in your assessment.
08:39 PM on 01/19/2012
I don't see why you answer my opinion with that comment. You are the one that comes across as not ever having attended an educational institution. Are you actually stating that I have never been to school? Really? So you support not allowing children to use washrooms when they need to?
03:47 PM on 01/19/2012
Asking isn't always raising your hand and declaring intentions to everyone. It can be as simple and discreet as giving the sign-language signal for "bathroom"(shaking a sign-language "t").
02:52 PM on 01/19/2012
Children who are kept from going to the bathroom can develop long term serious bowel problems. A child with chronic constipation may develop 'encopresis'. This is when a child doesn't have a bowel movement for days at a time.The lower intestine enlarges to accomodate the extra mass. This causes the sphinter muscle to weaken and loose sensitivity for the 'urge' to go. Then it becomes a viscious cycle. The mass becomes too difficult and painful to pass until something finally gives. This can become quite serious.
03:43 PM on 01/19/2012
they can go during lunch, during recess, during transitions within a classroom area, transitions between related arts, and many many more times. Also, this DOES NOT forbid kids from going to the bathroom. It just keeps groups of students from all going to the bathroom AT THE SAME TIME. You all are making a big deal out of something that is not. Come in, teach a few classes and see if it's a good idea to let 5th graders walk out of your room whenever they want with whomever they want without asking permission. It'll sure make it fun for you if there's ever a fire drill or vandalism in the bathroom.
02:44 PM on 01/19/2012
It seems to me that it is the same problem going on in many schools...punish the majority because of a few trouble makers. My childrens school in Nevada has the same strict bathroom policy. They have also removed bathroom doors AND removed all of the lockers. Because a few kids were hiding drugs in lockers, the entire school is punished and these kids are carrying fifteen pound backpacks around all day long. (And the trouble making kids still find a place to hide their drugs!!) My daughter can't even wear a coat to school because she doesn't have a place to put it and worries that it will get stolen if she doesn't carry it in her arms all day from class to class. Take away lockers, doors for privacy, and bathroom priveleges and you are punishing 90% of the kids because 10% break the rules.
02:19 PM on 01/19/2012
I'm an elementary school teacher. These are 5th graders, they're not toddlers. They get plenty of breaks during transitions from one subject area to the next which they may use to go to the bathroom. If they don't plan ahead and use the bathroom at an appropriate time, they are still allowed to go one at a time. The policy doesn't ban bathroom use, it creates an incentive for those that properly plan ahead and use the bathroom when appropriate, which is not during instructional time. The article mentions that there was a social problem with multiple student using the bathroom as an excuse to get out of class and socialize. This is a solution that allows students to still go, while rewarding those that fully participate and act responsibly.
02:35 PM on 01/19/2012
Cows on dairy farms have more liberty to drink and defecate than students in US public schools.
If behavior in bathrooms is an issue then assign teachers to monitor them during those transitions between classes. Set up cameras.
03:21 PM on 01/19/2012
And you really think parents would be okay with cameras in students bathroom?
03:57 PM on 01/19/2012
Students in classrooms are not cows on dairy farms. My uncle henry in new york owns and runs a dairy farm. I've helped him there as a youngster. Would you prefer we chain the students up to stand in pen's barely big enough for them and have them defecate into a conveyer trench? 5th graders are more than capable of using the bathroom during the many appropriate opportunities they are given throughout the day. In this case, should they STILL need to use the head, they may go one at a time and sign out. The sign-out sheet documents where a student may be in case of emergency and helps identify which students had access to a bathroom should something bad happen in there in a speciffic time frame.

Cameras in bathrooms....somehow I see that going over as well as the tasteless picture associated with this article.
02:36 PM on 01/19/2012
There are alot of schools that don't change classrooms when going from one subjectarea to another. How ignorant can you teachersand principals be. This is a health issue. There are thousands of kids in school that do have kidney problems. How dare you have these kids kids embarress themselves when they wet their pants. I hope the teachers and principal of these schools don't have a child with a kidney problem or disease.
02:50 PM on 01/19/2012
I watched a friend of mine when I was in 5th grade oh so long ago wet her pants in front of everyone because our teacher had enforced a similar policy. They're kids. they're busy, and their attention to things isn't on cue like us adults. They go from 1 minute to the next, they don't "plan" yet...geesh... I have a 9 year old son right now, and I live with it daily. Kids are kids, and sometimes you have to choose your battles. It's sad that in today's society we can never have middle ground anymore. It's either feast or famine when it comes to policies. All out for shock value. What this teacher did was disrespectful for these vulnerable kiddies who are going through their own emotional and psychological changes, let alone physical. Putting a child at risk of embarrassment on something so demeaning as having an accident in front of their classmates is nothing more than endorsing bullying. 1+1=2 people - the moment a child does something embarrassing in front of them, teasing occurs, etc etc etc... Teachers: think before you act so harshly, and remember - they are just KIDS. Teach them responsibility and the ways of the world, don't punish them. Isn't that why you became a teacher in the first place?